[Facts] Origin of OLIVER, Germanic (?) names of his comrades
Most of my books say that OLIVER has nothing to do with olives, but rather is of Germanic origin. btn presumes, it’s from ALFIHARI, Hanks & Hodges suggest OLAF as the original name. The reason for assuming it’s Germanic usually is: Oliver’s comrades all bear Germanic names. I’ve tried to check this – but I didn’t get very far. So maybe we can gather our pieces of information to get a clearer picture. Thank you!
ACELIN (Engl: Acolin): ???
ANSEÏS (Engl: Anseis): ???
BASAN (one of the two counts, that Charles sent as messengers and that were beheaded by Masilie)
> bibl. Bashan?
BASILIE (dto) > Greek Basilius?
BERENGIER: „Bär“ + „Ger“
ENGELIER: Something with angel or angle?
GANELON (Engl. Guenes) ???
GEBUÏN: ???
GERARD = Gerhard
GERIER (engl: Gerers): something with GER
GERIN (engl.: Gerins): dito
GUINEMAN Heinemann? Engl: GUNMAN („gun“ is probably from Nord. Gunna > Gunhild)
HEINRICH
IVE = Ivo
IVORIE: smells French (originally Lat: ebur, eboris, evory;); another possibility like IGOR = IVOR, „yew bow warrier“
LORANT: sounds like Laurence
MILON (Engl: Milun)
NAIMES: Reaney & Wilson: it’s from Naim: > Old French „nain“ = „dwarf“ (same today) > Lat. nanus
OGIER: ogre??????!!!???
OLIVIER (Engl: Oliver)
OTES: reminds me of Otto
RABEL: maybe „raven“
RICHARD
ROLAND:
SANSON (Engl: Sansun): reminds me of the biblical Samson; R&W: maybe biblical, maybe Celtic
TEDBALT (Engl: Tedbald)
TURPIN: Old High German „thurfan“ = dürfen??? R & W: „Thor“ + „Finnr“ (the Fins)
ACELIN (Engl: Acolin): ???
ANSEÏS (Engl: Anseis): ???
BASAN (one of the two counts, that Charles sent as messengers and that were beheaded by Masilie)
> bibl. Bashan?
BASILIE (dto) > Greek Basilius?
BERENGIER: „Bär“ + „Ger“
ENGELIER: Something with angel or angle?
GANELON (Engl. Guenes) ???
GEBUÏN: ???
GERARD = Gerhard
GERIER (engl: Gerers): something with GER
GERIN (engl.: Gerins): dito
GUINEMAN Heinemann? Engl: GUNMAN („gun“ is probably from Nord. Gunna > Gunhild)
HEINRICH
IVE = Ivo
IVORIE: smells French (originally Lat: ebur, eboris, evory;); another possibility like IGOR = IVOR, „yew bow warrier“
LORANT: sounds like Laurence
MILON (Engl: Milun)
NAIMES: Reaney & Wilson: it’s from Naim: > Old French „nain“ = „dwarf“ (same today) > Lat. nanus
OGIER: ogre??????!!!???
OLIVIER (Engl: Oliver)
OTES: reminds me of Otto
RABEL: maybe „raven“
RICHARD
ROLAND:
SANSON (Engl: Sansun): reminds me of the biblical Samson; R&W: maybe biblical, maybe Celtic
TEDBALT (Engl: Tedbald)
TURPIN: Old High German „thurfan“ = dürfen??? R & W: „Thor“ + „Finnr“ (the Fins)
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Thanx for taking your time! Andy ;—)
Moin Andy!
This is what I found in the book "Tous les prénoms francais et régionaux" by Jean-Maurice Barbé:
ACELIN (Engl: Acolin): Maybe a variant form of Ascelin, which derives from the Franconian word 'azzelin' = "noble"
ANSEÏS (Engl: Anseis): Maybe a variant form of Anségise, Old High German 'ans' = "god" + 'gisil' = "hostage, pledge"
GEBUÏN: Variant form of Gébuin, French form of Gebwin, Old High German 'geba' = "gift" + 'win' = "friend"
GERIN (engl.: Gerins): Maybe a variant form of Gerwin, Old High German 'ger' = "spear" + 'win' = "friend"
MILON (Engl: Milun): French variant form of Émile
OGIER: French variant form of Oger, variant form of Odger, Old High German 'ot' = "wealth, fortune" + 'ger' = "spear"
SANSON (Engl: Sansun): French variant form of Samson
/ Satu
http://www.nordicnames.de/
This is what I found in the book "Tous les prénoms francais et régionaux" by Jean-Maurice Barbé:
ACELIN (Engl: Acolin): Maybe a variant form of Ascelin, which derives from the Franconian word 'azzelin' = "noble"
ANSEÏS (Engl: Anseis): Maybe a variant form of Anségise, Old High German 'ans' = "god" + 'gisil' = "hostage, pledge"
GEBUÏN: Variant form of Gébuin, French form of Gebwin, Old High German 'geba' = "gift" + 'win' = "friend"
GERIN (engl.: Gerins): Maybe a variant form of Gerwin, Old High German 'ger' = "spear" + 'win' = "friend"
MILON (Engl: Milun): French variant form of Émile
OGIER: French variant form of Oger, variant form of Odger, Old High German 'ot' = "wealth, fortune" + 'ger' = "spear"
SANSON (Engl: Sansun): French variant form of Samson
/ Satu
http://www.nordicnames.de/
ACELIN (Engl: Acolin): a name a la Jocelin?
ANSEÏS (Engl: Anseis): something to do with Ansel or having the first componant of Ansgar?
BASAN > bibl. Bashan? Basajaun? Bassam? Or from the French "basane", "brown skinned, tanned"?
BASILIE (dto) indeed from Basil
BERENGIER: Derived rom an Old German compound meaning bear-spear.
ENGELIER: Something with Engel?
GANELON (Engl. Guenes) ???
GEBUÏN: ???
GERARD click on it
GERIER (engl: Gerers): something with GER, a la Gerard
GERIN (engl.: Gerins): dito
GUINEMAN Heinemann? Engl: GUNMAN („gun“ is probably from Nord. Gunna > Gunhild)
HEINRICH
IVE -> Yves?
IVORIE: Ivory
LORANT: Laurent
MILON (Engl: Milun): Milo
NAIMES: Reaney & Wilson: it’s from Naim: > Old French „nain“ = „dwarf“ (same today) > Lat. nanus
OGIER:
OLIVIER (Engl: Oliver) click on it
OTES: reminds me of Otto
RABEL: maybe „raven“
RICHARD click
ROLAND: click
SANSON (Engl: Sansun): reminds me of the biblical Samson; R&W: maybe biblical, maybe Celtic
TEDBALT (Engl: Tedbald): Thibault / Theobald
TURPIN: Old High German „thurfan“ = dürfen??? R & W: „Thor“ + „Finnr“ (the Fins
~~ Claire ~~
My ! are Alia, Eidel, Enola, Israel, Dudel, Yuri, Lina, Lorelei, Leilani, Owen, Julian, Glorinda, Mirinda
ANSEÏS (Engl: Anseis): something to do with Ansel or having the first componant of Ansgar?
BASAN > bibl. Bashan? Basajaun? Bassam? Or from the French "basane", "brown skinned, tanned"?
BASILIE (dto) indeed from Basil
BERENGIER: Derived rom an Old German compound meaning bear-spear.
ENGELIER: Something with Engel?
GANELON (Engl. Guenes) ???
GEBUÏN: ???
GERARD click on it
GERIER (engl: Gerers): something with GER, a la Gerard
GERIN (engl.: Gerins): dito
GUINEMAN Heinemann? Engl: GUNMAN („gun“ is probably from Nord. Gunna > Gunhild)
HEINRICH
IVE -> Yves?
IVORIE: Ivory
LORANT: Laurent
MILON (Engl: Milun): Milo
NAIMES: Reaney & Wilson: it’s from Naim: > Old French „nain“ = „dwarf“ (same today) > Lat. nanus
OGIER:
OLIVIER (Engl: Oliver) click on it
OTES: reminds me of Otto
RABEL: maybe „raven“
RICHARD click
ROLAND: click
SANSON (Engl: Sansun): reminds me of the biblical Samson; R&W: maybe biblical, maybe Celtic
TEDBALT (Engl: Tedbald): Thibault / Theobald
TURPIN: Old High German „thurfan“ = dürfen??? R & W: „Thor“ + „Finnr“ (the Fins
~~ Claire ~~
My ! are Alia, Eidel, Enola, Israel, Dudel, Yuri, Lina, Lorelei, Leilani, Owen, Julian, Glorinda, Mirinda
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