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from North Wales papers:
(f) Anni Lliwen, parents Mari & Tom, brother Deio Tomos
(m) Cai Robat, parents Llio & Gareth, brother Louis
(m) Noa, parents Nia & Dylan
(f) Sioned Wyn, parents Nia & Dylan (a different Nia & Dylan!), brother Aron Wyn, grandparents Eirian & Barry and Iola & Brian
(m) Ryan, parents Ceri & Tom
(f) Ela Mair, parents Nia & Huw, brothers Ifan & Deio, grandparents Carol & Caradog and Olwen & John
(m) Tirion Llyr, parents Angharad & Gareth
(f) Sali Mair, parents Dafydd & Rhian, sisters Megan & Manon, grandparents Gwynfor & Margaret and Gwen
(f) Anni Lliwen, parents Mari & Tom, brother Deio Tomos
(m) Cai Robat, parents Llio & Gareth, brother Louis
(m) Noa, parents Nia & Dylan
(f) Sioned Wyn, parents Nia & Dylan (a different Nia & Dylan!), brother Aron Wyn, grandparents Eirian & Barry and Iola & Brian
(m) Ryan, parents Ceri & Tom
(f) Ela Mair, parents Nia & Huw, brothers Ifan & Deio, grandparents Carol & Caradog and Olwen & John
(m) Tirion Llyr, parents Angharad & Gareth
(f) Sali Mair, parents Dafydd & Rhian, sisters Megan & Manon, grandparents Gwynfor & Margaret and Gwen
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Don't know about down South, but in North Wales Deio is day-o. It's a very common nn for David and Dafydd.
Llio was originally a short form of Gwenllian, but it's often used as a full name now.
Lliwen seems to be a fairly modern invention - I can't find any usage before 1911. It looks like it's made out of lliw (colour) and gwyn (white, fair, blessed, beautiful, various other meanings) so combine those as you will :) I just checked and it's also the name of a small river in Denbighshire, but as the first people who were given the name lived nowhere near there, I'm not sure they're connected.
Tirion = kind, gentle. Nice meaning for a boy's name.
Sali Mair - yes, and that's the second Sali I've seen recently.
Llio was originally a short form of Gwenllian, but it's often used as a full name now.
Lliwen seems to be a fairly modern invention - I can't find any usage before 1911. It looks like it's made out of lliw (colour) and gwyn (white, fair, blessed, beautiful, various other meanings) so combine those as you will :) I just checked and it's also the name of a small river in Denbighshire, but as the first people who were given the name lived nowhere near there, I'm not sure they're connected.
Tirion = kind, gentle. Nice meaning for a boy's name.
Sali Mair - yes, and that's the second Sali I've seen recently.
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I always look forward to the Welsh BA lists.
Lliwen - I really like the look and sound of this. Pretty.
Tirion - aw, another male Tirion. I remember you posted one of those last year. I still prefer it on a girl but I'm starting to like it as a male name as well.
I also like Gareth, Sioned, Wyn, Angharad, Margaret, and Gwynfor.
Lliwen - I really like the look and sound of this. Pretty.
Tirion - aw, another male Tirion. I remember you posted one of those last year. I still prefer it on a girl but I'm starting to like it as a male name as well.
I also like Gareth, Sioned, Wyn, Angharad, Margaret, and Gwynfor.
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re Tirion: Game of Thrones wasn't on mainstream TV in the UK (I had to watch it via some dodgy internet site), so I don't think it got a very big audience here. It's possible though!
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I remember reading (in another thread) that Tirion has been used as early as the mid-1800s, but the influence of popular media is interesting to consider.
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Angharad is lovely.
I know a Ceredig (very rare, I imagine), similar to Caradog
Anni is described as Finnish on here, but I assume it's Welsh for Annie?
I saw Nansi somewhere recently, and assume that's also Welsh, for Nancy, like Betsi for Betsy.
Betsi certainly gives Betsy a fresh appeal. Not sure about Anni - looks incomplete to the eye accustomed to Annie.
I know a Ceredig (very rare, I imagine), similar to Caradog
Anni is described as Finnish on here, but I assume it's Welsh for Annie?
I saw Nansi somewhere recently, and assume that's also Welsh, for Nancy, like Betsi for Betsy.
Betsi certainly gives Betsy a fresh appeal. Not sure about Anni - looks incomplete to the eye accustomed to Annie.
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Ceredig
How would you pronounce Ceredig (and Ceredigion)? I quite like the look of it.
How would you pronounce Ceredig (and Ceredigion)? I quite like the look of it.
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keh-reh-dig and keh-reh-dig-ee-on:
http://www.forvo.com/word/ceredigion/#cy
http://www.forvo.com/word/ceredigion/#cy
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Huh, never seen Iola before, and it's English? I'd guess it's pronounced YO-la? That's pretty.
Lliwen is pretty too, do you know the meaning?
Lliwen is pretty too, do you know the meaning?
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Iola "yolla" is superfun. It's like the words jolly and yellow in name form.
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Hmm, not sure I like yolla, maybe I'll just pronounce it wrong for myself. :P Although maybe it could be either because if it's a variant of Iole, then I think YO-la would be correct. But if you think of it as a feminization of Iolo, then it would be the other one.
True, darn that gwen. Color is a neat meaning to have in a name. I mostly like the sound of Lliwen.
ETA: Perhaps you could help me with this. I thought of this after clicking on Gwynfor (which I can't decide if I like or not). What's up with mawr vs. fawr? Is fawr like the old version of mawr or something? Because it's not even in the dictionary I'm looking at, but I know it's a word. And I'm also assuming that's why the -for part is mawr... because it's actually fawr?
True, darn that gwen. Color is a neat meaning to have in a name. I mostly like the sound of Lliwen.
ETA: Perhaps you could help me with this. I thought of this after clicking on Gwynfor (which I can't decide if I like or not). What's up with mawr vs. fawr? Is fawr like the old version of mawr or something? Because it's not even in the dictionary I'm looking at, but I know it's a word. And I'm also assuming that's why the -for part is mawr... because it's actually fawr?
This message was edited 1/19/2012, 9:05 AM
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fawr is mawr... mutated.
http://www.linguata.com/welsh/welsh-language-mutation.html
Mutations are a huge pain.:)
http://www.linguata.com/welsh/welsh-language-mutation.html
Mutations are a huge pain.:)
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Oh, fun. Thanks! :)
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