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Help[Opinions] Re: hypocritical?
in reply to a message by RDNZL
They belong together, because of their amorality more than just about anything else besides their physical attraction. Picture Rhett with Melanie? It would be a disaster for Melanie. Rhett knew that too, and since she was so decidedly not his type, and so unlike Scarlett, he respected her more than just about anybody else. You wouldn't think he would give somebody like Melanie the time of day, but since he's a very good judge of character, he knows that there is nothing phony about Melanie, and that she respects him without judging him. That in itself was a movelty.
And picture Scarlett with Ashley. Ashley is so far from amoral it's not even funny. He is so bound by family loyalty and adherence to expectations that he could not rebel or act out the way Scarlett did. He admired this in her, but if he was married to her he'd be miserable, and Scarlett would be also; she mainly wanted him because he was the one male she knew (till she met Rhett) who didn't respond to her flirting and fakeness, but mostly she wanted him because she couldn't have him.
Her father knows the score too, and tells her right at the beginning of the book that marrying Ashley would not make her happy.
No, Scarlett and Scarlett couldn't have found a better match. Rhett recognized this, but Scarlett stil thought she wanted Ashley instead. And Rhett hated Ashley for his perceived spinelessness.
"It's one thing to be open-minded and quite another to be so open-minded your brains fall out."--Dear Abby
"Let other people push you around, and you deserve whatever bad things happen after that."--Lauren Bacall
And picture Scarlett with Ashley. Ashley is so far from amoral it's not even funny. He is so bound by family loyalty and adherence to expectations that he could not rebel or act out the way Scarlett did. He admired this in her, but if he was married to her he'd be miserable, and Scarlett would be also; she mainly wanted him because he was the one male she knew (till she met Rhett) who didn't respond to her flirting and fakeness, but mostly she wanted him because she couldn't have him.
Her father knows the score too, and tells her right at the beginning of the book that marrying Ashley would not make her happy.
No, Scarlett and Scarlett couldn't have found a better match. Rhett recognized this, but Scarlett stil thought she wanted Ashley instead. And Rhett hated Ashley for his perceived spinelessness.
"It's one thing to be open-minded and quite another to be so open-minded your brains fall out."--Dear Abby
"Let other people push you around, and you deserve whatever bad things happen after that."--Lauren Bacall
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All this is true, but I'm still only thinking of the marital rape. I don't think Scarlett and Rhett being a good match excuses him from "taking" her, because no one, no matter how amoral they are, deserves to be raped. I realize I'm looking at this whole thing with a modern perspective, though. Of course audiences in 1936/1939 didn't see it this way.
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The more I think about it, the more I don't think it was a rape at all. Oh well getting too OT I guess.
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for all we know ...
Since we don't actually see anything that happens after the door closes, they could have argued and fought for another hour and then had make-up sex. Or went to bed mad and felt better when they woke up and then had the make-up sex.
Since we don't actually see anything that happens after the door closes, they could have argued and fought for another hour and then had make-up sex. Or went to bed mad and felt better when they woke up and then had the make-up sex.
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LOL
It's actually a matter of debate between feminists whether or not it's a rape, so we could talk about this ad infinitum, I'm sure.
It's actually a matter of debate between feminists whether or not it's a rape, so we could talk about this ad infinitum, I'm sure.
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in one of the Anastasia Krupnik books ...
Very popular in the eighties and meant for junior-high or thereabouts, Anastasia wishes her seventh-grade English teacher would assign "Gone With the Wind" and her elderly male English teacher is perturbed. Anastasia insists that there's only one "damn" in the book, and that when Rhett carries Scarlett up the stairs, we don't see what happens afterward; maybe they played Scrabble in the bedroom. Privately Anastasia knows perfectly well what they did, and thinks that glamorous pair would never play Scrabble. "Ashley and Melanie ... THEY played Scrabble, the wimps."
Very popular in the eighties and meant for junior-high or thereabouts, Anastasia wishes her seventh-grade English teacher would assign "Gone With the Wind" and her elderly male English teacher is perturbed. Anastasia insists that there's only one "damn" in the book, and that when Rhett carries Scarlett up the stairs, we don't see what happens afterward; maybe they played Scrabble in the bedroom. Privately Anastasia knows perfectly well what they did, and thinks that glamorous pair would never play Scrabble. "Ashley and Melanie ... THEY played Scrabble, the wimps."
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Maybe he staggered into the bedroom, weaving wildly because of Scarlett's weight in his arms, said, "Damn, I know you never wanted to be hungry again, but this is ridiculous, you tub of lard", dropped her onto the bed, and then left, rubbing his aching arms. It was left out because a second "Damn" would have gotten the book banned in Boston.
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there were actually many more damsn ...
Because throwing your back out will do that to you. While Rhett fidgeted and swore, Scarlett pasted more pictures and notes into her Ashley scrapbook.
Because throwing your back out will do that to you. While Rhett fidgeted and swore, Scarlett pasted more pictures and notes into her Ashley scrapbook.
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I think I'm amoral. And proud of it.
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