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Help[Opinions] Re: That sounds very similar to a book I have
in reply to a message by Lillian
But a phoneme isn't just any two letters in a name. It's two letters that, when put together, make a specific sound. So the phoneme 'll' makes a 'ull' sound (think puzzle, apple, etc). In English, a S and a H together make the phoneme 'sh.' And so on. There is no 'll' phoneme in Lyle Lovett!
The fact that CK doesn't know this bloke, coupled with the phoneme nonsense he appears to spout, makes me disinclined to trust his book!
The fact that CK doesn't know this bloke, coupled with the phoneme nonsense he appears to spout, makes me disinclined to trust his book!
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My mistake. Lauren, let me restate that, and you may find this very interesting
I think I inadvertantly misrepresented how Feinson refers to these dominant letter groupings. I have to admit I have not read the book cover to cover, and I know I saw the word phoneme a number of times. But as I flip through the book now, specifically looking for that word, it only appears in reference to just the sort of consonant combinations you're refering to, such as S and H.
I just found it on page 61, for example, where Feinson refers to the CH phoneme, though that page is about the CHR consonant group, but he did not call CHR a phoneme. On most pages he doesn't even refer to the consonant combinations as such, but says things like "KL names are undergoing a surge in popularity" [page 218]; "...defines the essense of the TRN personality" [page 393]; and "NDs have the ability to..." [page 291].
Also, he has a great many consonant groups from names in which the consonants are not... how do I say this... not sequentially in contact with each other within the name, understand? For example, on page 367 the consonant group SMR is held up as the dominant force in Seymour and Summer, among others (he lists 7 names for this group). But no two of those three letters touch each other within the names. He does not refer to SMR as a phoneme. Instead he talks about each of the three letters one at a time, and what each contributes to the sound of the name - and the potential personality of the bearer of that name ("SMRs excel in jobs that require hand-eye coordination...").
I'm not a linguist by training, so it was likely my own misinterpretation of that word at fault. I used it in reference to LL where he did not. Sorry. Don't want to mislead anyone about what the man has written.
And Dr. Evans told me that anyone can join ANS without sponsorship; it must have a large membership (I'm curious about joining myself). The fact that Dr. Evans doesn't know Feinson does not bother Dr. Evans (not that he mentioned to me, anyway), nor me, and does not, on its face, automatically disqualify the guy from being legit.
I think I inadvertantly misrepresented how Feinson refers to these dominant letter groupings. I have to admit I have not read the book cover to cover, and I know I saw the word phoneme a number of times. But as I flip through the book now, specifically looking for that word, it only appears in reference to just the sort of consonant combinations you're refering to, such as S and H.
I just found it on page 61, for example, where Feinson refers to the CH phoneme, though that page is about the CHR consonant group, but he did not call CHR a phoneme. On most pages he doesn't even refer to the consonant combinations as such, but says things like "KL names are undergoing a surge in popularity" [page 218]; "...defines the essense of the TRN personality" [page 393]; and "NDs have the ability to..." [page 291].
Also, he has a great many consonant groups from names in which the consonants are not... how do I say this... not sequentially in contact with each other within the name, understand? For example, on page 367 the consonant group SMR is held up as the dominant force in Seymour and Summer, among others (he lists 7 names for this group). But no two of those three letters touch each other within the names. He does not refer to SMR as a phoneme. Instead he talks about each of the three letters one at a time, and what each contributes to the sound of the name - and the potential personality of the bearer of that name ("SMRs excel in jobs that require hand-eye coordination...").
I'm not a linguist by training, so it was likely my own misinterpretation of that word at fault. I used it in reference to LL where he did not. Sorry. Don't want to mislead anyone about what the man has written.
And Dr. Evans told me that anyone can join ANS without sponsorship; it must have a large membership (I'm curious about joining myself). The fact that Dr. Evans doesn't know Feinson does not bother Dr. Evans (not that he mentioned to me, anyway), nor me, and does not, on its face, automatically disqualify the guy from being legit.
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I see. I'm not sure whether a group of three letters can be a phoneme, or if there's a different name for groups of three, I just know that they have to be next to each other to be considered one.
I'm not sure about passive (I can be fairly confrontational!), but the rest of that description for LRN names does sound fairly accurate!
I should also probably apologize for any confusion caused by saying that the 'll' phoneme is in the words apple and puzzle. I've just re-read my original post and realised that that doesn't actually make sense, which may have made my post a bit difficult to understand!
I'm not sure about passive (I can be fairly confrontational!), but the rest of that description for LRN names does sound fairly accurate!
I should also probably apologize for any confusion caused by saying that the 'll' phoneme is in the words apple and puzzle. I've just re-read my original post and realised that that doesn't actually make sense, which may have made my post a bit difficult to understand!
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passive vs. confrontational
Feinson did say that LRNs have titanium backbones! *LOL*
~Lillian~
Proud daughter of Ann and John
Proud sister of Lauren and Leah
Proud wife of David
Proud mother of Alexander, Scarlett, Sophia, and Gideon
Feinson did say that LRNs have titanium backbones! *LOL*
~Lillian~
Proud daughter of Ann and John
Proud sister of Lauren and Leah
Proud wife of David
Proud mother of Alexander, Scarlett, Sophia, and Gideon
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How do you say Lyle? When I say it, it's very clearly LYE-ull (I'm also a person who pronunces Jewel as JEW-ull--it's a regional thing). So in the right accent, it definitely does have the sound of an ll phoneme. :D
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