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[Surname] Re: "Ap names"

by Furienna (guest)

5/20/2011, 2:01 AM

It just turned out, that if I search for Welsh names instead of Cymric ones (those are probably just about the same thing, right?), I managed to find six more "ap" names through this site.

Apted = Son of Teoda
Baines = Son of Einws
Bowen = Son of Owain
Powell = Son of Howell
Prince = Son of Rhys
Pugh = Son of Hugh

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- Marc (guest) +8

5/20/2011, 8:19 AM

You'll find more at http://www.amethyst-night.com/names/welshsurs.html under the letters B and P.

- Furienna (guest) +7

5/20/2011, 3:13 PM

Thank you!

And just to make things clear, it's of course "Prince", that orginally meant "son of Rhys", not "Prince".

- Jim Young (guest) +6

5/22/2011, 6:36 AM

The prefix becomes a 'B' with names beginning with an a vowel - Bedward, Bellis, Beynon, Bowen; a P with names beginning with an H or an R - Parry (Harry), Penry (Henry), Pugh (Hugh), Probert, Probin, etc.
Names beginning with other consonents don't appear to have retained the prefix in any form.

- Furienna (guest)

5/29/2011, 1:20 PM

You seem to be right. Interesting.

- Marc (guest) +2

5/22/2011, 9:12 AM

Two exceptions would be Apjohn and Upjohn.

- Furienna (guest)

5/29/2011, 1:21 PM

Oh yes. I discovered the name "Upjohn" right after I made this thread.

- Jim Young (guest)

5/22/2011, 11:54 AM

Oh yes. Now you've got me thinking.

- Jim Young (guest) +1

5/22/2011, 8:29 AM

Also, the Bretons of France, whose language is related to Welsh, have a few names of this kind, e.g., Abalain, Abhervé, Abolivier, etc.

- Furienna (guest)

5/29/2011, 1:22 PM

Ah, it only make sense, that they would, as the Bretons too are Celts. Thank you for that contribution.

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