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Help[Opinions] I don't see any misogyny here ...
in reply to a message by holeyg
Poster called out "the white girl" with the dreamcatcher. Presumably it's an actual "white girl" she's seen, probably several of them. I have rarely seen a white guy with a dreamcatcher hung to his mirror, though I'm sure there's some who do. Fair or not, equal or not, most things are done/worn/enjoyed more often by one sex than the other. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just life; nothing can always be exactly equally divided, and why should it?
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As I mentioned in my response to Theodora'sMommy, I think there's a soft misogyny at play in that comment, similar to comments about "Karen" and "Becky" that portray white WOMEN as the primary source of racism and entitlement. And if we're talking about historical injustices, I doubt many women in past centuries were personally doing any active mass killing of Native Americans. If we're going to hold any living people responsible for the Trail of Tears, teenaged white girls with dreamcatchers wouldn't be my first pick. They're just an easy target for derision.
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baloney ...
You're not just comparing apples and oranges by throwing in the Trail of Tears in a discussion about dreamcatchers (which began as a discussion of popular names for American Indians), you're comparing apples and hair dryers.
And if you actually believe that just because white women didn't do actual mass killings that they are somehow incapable of perpetrating injustice or appropriating things, you don't know women very well. Even if you are one.
It's a mistake to think that women aren't as good as men. But it's a much bigger mistake to think they're any better.
You're not just comparing apples and oranges by throwing in the Trail of Tears in a discussion about dreamcatchers (which began as a discussion of popular names for American Indians), you're comparing apples and hair dryers.
And if you actually believe that just because white women didn't do actual mass killings that they are somehow incapable of perpetrating injustice or appropriating things, you don't know women very well. Even if you are one.
It's a mistake to think that women aren't as good as men. But it's a much bigger mistake to think they're any better.
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Wait a minute there. The whole reason people are being bothered by white people having dreamcatchers or using Native American names is the history of atrocities committed by white people against Native Americans. If it weren't for things like the Trail of Tears we wouldn't be talking about dreamcatchers. That was the whole point of Theodora'sMommy's original reply. I'm not just randomly bringing up the Trail of Tears like someone would bring Hitler in.
>if you actually believe that just because white women didn't do actual mass killings that they are somehow incapable of perpetrating injustice or appropriating things
Come ON. I never said that. And I never said, nor do I believe, that women are better than men. What I'm saying is that if you're picking on girls with dreamcatchers for crimes perpetrated by people in the past who are likely unrelated to them, and (in the case of mass killings) were not even of the same sex, simply because the girls are of the same race as these past people... You're focusing on the wrong targets. Out of all the people and institutions you could criticize for injustice against Native Americans, white girls with dreamcatchers are the real offenders here?
I do think there's a hint of misogyny in talking about historical persecution of Native Americans, and current cultural appropriation, and when you call out any particular group it's by mocking white girls, like they personally have done anything worse than thinking a dreamcatcher sounds nice and not understanding how this would come across.
>if you actually believe that just because white women didn't do actual mass killings that they are somehow incapable of perpetrating injustice or appropriating things
Come ON. I never said that. And I never said, nor do I believe, that women are better than men. What I'm saying is that if you're picking on girls with dreamcatchers for crimes perpetrated by people in the past who are likely unrelated to them, and (in the case of mass killings) were not even of the same sex, simply because the girls are of the same race as these past people... You're focusing on the wrong targets. Out of all the people and institutions you could criticize for injustice against Native Americans, white girls with dreamcatchers are the real offenders here?
I do think there's a hint of misogyny in talking about historical persecution of Native Americans, and current cultural appropriation, and when you call out any particular group it's by mocking white girls, like they personally have done anything worse than thinking a dreamcatcher sounds nice and not understanding how this would come across.
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Well put.
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