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ArchivesAustrian surnames: Jelem and Jelemensky
They are two austrian surnames of Graz and Vienna of probable slave origin.
Could anyone telle me their origin? Thank you in advance.
Could anyone telle me their origin? Thank you in advance.
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Nothing certain, but two possibilities to consider re Jelem
i. a variant of jelen, "deer", which is Czech, Polish, and doubtless other Slavic languages. Could the end have been changed in some dialect form? I have to say I don't feel confident about this.
ii. there is a Czech place name, Jelm, which is very like Jelem. There's also the Czech word jilm, meaning "elm".
Jelemensky has to be Slavic, and is likely to be from a place name, but I haven't found it.
i. a variant of jelen, "deer", which is Czech, Polish, and doubtless other Slavic languages. Could the end have been changed in some dialect form? I have to say I don't feel confident about this.
ii. there is a Czech place name, Jelm, which is very like Jelem. There's also the Czech word jilm, meaning "elm".
Jelemensky has to be Slavic, and is likely to be from a place name, but I haven't found it.
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It seems to me Jelem is a gypsy word... google found a gypsy folk song Jelem Jelem. I have no idea what it means, though.
Plus I found this:
http://www.visomap.com/place-fr/Jelem/-2876592
- Ghana!
Jelemensky seems to be a Slovak name, guessing from the google finds. No idea about its meaning, though, unless it was derived from that gypsy word...
That place name in CR is actually just a street. I agree that it seems to be connected to jilm, but it can just as well be a Czech version of some unknown German word, that's a very common way of getting unintelligible words in Czech, especially when place names are concerned.
And jelem=jilm seems a bit too far stretched to me. Just as the jelen possibility. It isn't what our language usually works like, really not.
Plus I found this:
http://www.visomap.com/place-fr/Jelem/-2876592
- Ghana!
Jelemensky seems to be a Slovak name, guessing from the google finds. No idea about its meaning, though, unless it was derived from that gypsy word...
That place name in CR is actually just a street. I agree that it seems to be connected to jilm, but it can just as well be a Czech version of some unknown German word, that's a very common way of getting unintelligible words in Czech, especially when place names are concerned.
And jelem=jilm seems a bit too far stretched to me. Just as the jelen possibility. It isn't what our language usually works like, really not.
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