[Opinions] Twins named Jack and John?
Hope this hasn't been discussed before...I was watching "Conception to Birth" on TLC and parents named their twin boys Jack and John.
Now, my opinion is that Jack is so far a name from John, that it isn't really a nickname anymore. HOWEVER, most people realize that at one time, it was fairly common for Jacks to be named John. So why on earth name your twins the EXACT same name? It would be like naming one kid Elizabeth and the other Libby. Margaret and Maggie. Margaret and Daisy. Joseph and Joe. Just....no!
Now, my opinion is that Jack is so far a name from John, that it isn't really a nickname anymore. HOWEVER, most people realize that at one time, it was fairly common for Jacks to be named John. So why on earth name your twins the EXACT same name? It would be like naming one kid Elizabeth and the other Libby. Margaret and Maggie. Margaret and Daisy. Joseph and Joe. Just....no!
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I'm curious...
Were their mns variations of the same name, too?
Were their mns variations of the same name, too?
LOL
Yes, it does seem awkward asking the father about mns, doesn't it? I wonder why that is?
"I can't say I was ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days." -Daniel Boone, American explorer
Yes, it does seem awkward asking the father about mns, doesn't it? I wonder why that is?
"I can't say I was ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days." -Daniel Boone, American explorer
Same egg, same name?
If they are identlical twins, they come from the same egg. So giving them the names Jack and John *could* be intentional.
John and Ian or Elizabeth and Isabella would be the same thing.
I would not do it, but I don't think other people will think about it. And probably the parents did not know it either. Since many boys are named Jack (or named Jackson but called Jack), I think people forget that Jack was orginally a nn for John.
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I learned my lesson well.
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If they are identlical twins, they come from the same egg. So giving them the names Jack and John *could* be intentional.
John and Ian or Elizabeth and Isabella would be the same thing.
I would not do it, but I don't think other people will think about it. And probably the parents did not know it either. Since many boys are named Jack (or named Jackson but called Jack), I think people forget that Jack was orginally a nn for John.
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
I hate it because it's one of those cutsey twin names. I know a family with twins named Christopher and Christian, so even if the parents knew John and Jack were the same name, they still may have chosen it. People seem to think that twins need twin names. I have no idea why.
I know Jack now is a popular given name, but for people in older generations, Jack is only a nickname for John, not a proper given name. I much prefer John nn Jack, and I bet that will become more popular considering how trendy Jack and Jackson are.
I know Jack now is a popular given name, but for people in older generations, Jack is only a nickname for John, not a proper given name. I much prefer John nn Jack, and I bet that will become more popular considering how trendy Jack and Jackson are.
I don't think it's that bad. I reckon if I asked ten of my friends what Jack used to be a nn for, I'd get blank looks from almost all of them. And in your other examples, most of them aee too close, but I think Margaret and Daisy would be fine. You have to remember the rest of the world aren't name nerds like us! And maybe the parents wanted to give Jack and John similar names, as a connection, in the same way that my sisters and I have the same middle name.
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Ugh. I guess Andie is right, that kind of thing only bothers us "namenerds," but BOY, does it ever! :b
This came up the other day when I was watching "Walk the Line" on DVD with my sister. When Johnny Cash was younger, he went by J.R., but they showed his older brother in the movie, whose name was JACK. John & Jack. *rolls eyes* So I pointed this out to my sister, 'How stupid, they both have the same name.' She was bewildered, 'No they don't, one is John & one is Jack.' I replied: 'But Jack is a form of John.' She had no idea...or claimed not to. People, she's 43 years old! LOL. I pointed out the John/Jack Kennedy thing, and she was like 'oh.' *smacks forehead* I guess we're not just the only ones who know these things we're also the only ones who CARE. :b
~Heather~
This came up the other day when I was watching "Walk the Line" on DVD with my sister. When Johnny Cash was younger, he went by J.R., but they showed his older brother in the movie, whose name was JACK. John & Jack. *rolls eyes* So I pointed this out to my sister, 'How stupid, they both have the same name.' She was bewildered, 'No they don't, one is John & one is Jack.' I replied: 'But Jack is a form of John.' She had no idea...or claimed not to. People, she's 43 years old! LOL. I pointed out the John/Jack Kennedy thing, and she was like 'oh.' *smacks forehead* I guess we're not just the only ones who know these things we're also the only ones who CARE. :b
~Heather~
ditto!
I'm occasionally all right with the same first initial on twins, as long as they're not obviously theme-y, but I CAN'T STAND IT when parents give their kids variations of the same name, rhyming names, etc.
I'm occasionally all right with the same first initial on twins, as long as they're not obviously theme-y, but I CAN'T STAND IT when parents give their kids variations of the same name, rhyming names, etc.
Unfortunately, I think the AVERAGE person does know that. Now, what that says about the parents...well, I wouldn't like to say :)
Yes.
I find the average American pretty darn ignorant of practically everything! What are those stats? 40% can't even name the Vice President? 32% don't know how many states there are? 50% voted for George Bush to be president for not one, but two terms? (haha) Yeah, the average American isn't too sharp.
I find the average American pretty darn ignorant of practically everything! What are those stats? 40% can't even name the Vice President? 32% don't know how many states there are? 50% voted for George Bush to be president for not one, but two terms? (haha) Yeah, the average American isn't too sharp.
D'oh!
You're right. That average American knows more about The Simpsons than goverment or American history (or world history, for that matter!). Oh, and btw, I did vote for GW, but, well, I'm regretting it. At least I'm learning from my mistakes, lol!
"I can't say I was ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days." -Daniel Boone, American explorer
You're right. That average American knows more about The Simpsons than goverment or American history (or world history, for that matter!). Oh, and btw, I did vote for GW, but, well, I'm regretting it. At least I'm learning from my mistakes, lol!
"I can't say I was ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days." -Daniel Boone, American explorer
LOL! Glad to hear it! ; )
Seeing as though my husband is John but goes by Jack, I think that's pretty bad. Even though not all connections between names are well known (Isabel and Elizabeth, Marguerite and Daisy, etc) the John Jack connection is pretty strong because of JFK choosing to go by Jack. It's funny you should mention atrocious twin combos because I was looking at the SSA site that lists the most popular twinsets in 2004. Among the worst were: Mia and Mya, Jada and Jaden, Brian and Brianna, Kayla and Kyla, Taylor and Tyler. Mind you these are not isolated incidents of bad naming--these are THE most popular twinsets!
Here's the link in case you're curious:
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/twins2004.html
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Here's the link in case you're curious:
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/twins2004.html
----Betsy-----
I think this is the type of thing that would bother us namenerds, but to the rest of the world...they don't even know! I think it isn't that bad, it could be much worse! Such things like Jayden and Kayden, or Jack and Jake, or Ryan and Rylan, i'd take Jack and John, not that I would ever do that but noneless it could be worse.
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