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Help[Facts] Re: Madison
in reply to a message by Kelly
While I've never heard of "Maud" being generally accepted as a masculine first name anywhere, there are other surnames like "Madison" which were derived from the mother's name. One which springs quickest to mind is the surname "Alison" or "Allison" (which is also used as a feminine first name), meaning "son of Alice".
Examples of surnames derived from the mother's occupation would include "Baxter" (a female baker) and "Webster" (a female weaver).
-- Nanaea
Examples of surnames derived from the mother's occupation would include "Baxter" (a female baker) and "Webster" (a female weaver).
-- Nanaea
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Emmett/Emmott = Emmot, a diminutive form of Emma
Tibbs/Tibbott/Ibbott = from dimin. forms of Isabel
Marriott = Marion
Maggs/Moggs = Margaret
And there are more..
Research just in (really) shows that Baxter and Webster do NOT indicate gender - they are as likely to be used for men as women, and reflect dialect instead...
Hi Nanaea! Long time no see?
Tibbs/Tibbott/Ibbott = from dimin. forms of Isabel
Marriott = Marion
Maggs/Moggs = Margaret
And there are more..
Research just in (really) shows that Baxter and Webster do NOT indicate gender - they are as likely to be used for men as women, and reflect dialect instead...
Hi Nanaea! Long time no see?
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Hi, Merriment! That's interesting about the "-ster" and "-xter" surnames. Guess I have some catching up to do. :) Where did you find this latest info?
-- Nanaea
-- Nanaea
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Latest info
Errrrmmmm....in an issue of Nomina (Journal for the Society for the Study of Names in Britain and Ireland), fairly recent. It's been well known for a while amongst surname scholars apparently, it's just an oft-repeated myth in easy-digest surname books.
You know how it is.
Errrrmmmm....in an issue of Nomina (Journal for the Society for the Study of Names in Britain and Ireland), fairly recent. It's been well known for a while amongst surname scholars apparently, it's just an oft-repeated myth in easy-digest surname books.
You know how it is.
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Apparently, it wasn't all that well-known to such surname scholars as Patrick Hanks (dictionaries editor for Oxford University Press), Flavia Hodges (philologist and lexicographer), and Elsdon C. Smith (now deceased but former President of the American Name Society). lol.
I'm curious as to who authored the article in Nomina.
-- Nanaea
I'm curious as to who authored the article in Nomina.
-- Nanaea
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The Hanks and Hodges Dictionaries are nice, but not based on producing new research - they tend to be more anthologizing older work, all of which could do with a good dust off, and some proper research doing. With computers now there is the facility to actually count and track surnames in older documents - a lot of the earlier work was done on 'instinct' and overall impressions...
I'll sort out the Nomina ref. for you, but it may also be Reaney and Wilson's Dict. of English Surnames...
I know pretty much all the people who currently get published in Nomina, so I'm fairly sure that a) they are research active and b) they are reliable :)
I'll sort out the Nomina ref. for you, but it may also be Reaney and Wilson's Dict. of English Surnames...
I know pretty much all the people who currently get published in Nomina, so I'm fairly sure that a) they are research active and b) they are reliable :)
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